15 – “Laodicea (Pt. 2) – Salvation in Symbols & Signs”


Part B… that’s what
this is… it’s Part B because last time
we got through so fast, I mean, time
just got away from us and we didn’t realize that
we were only half way through so now we’re on Part B or
Part 2 of the Laodicean church, in fact it went so fast that
we didn’t have time to do the [email protected] org with
your video questions… now we made up for that,
that’s how we ended that one and now we’re going to do it
again… on the end of this one so, the reason why I think this
message is so significant to us is because, as we read
these verses we’re thinking, “Whoa… that’s… that’s
me… that’s us… ” this isn’t like
the other churches where we can see it in history, and we can kind of make
the idealist applications of the principles to us
but really it applies there, as soon as we started reading
these verses… we were like… gulp… “yeah, that’s… ” and
we see it in our Society today, so this message
deserves two parts because this message is
not just about our condition but it’s also about a remedy and we really need to
spend some time on that remedy so… so it comes home to us so Jason, start us
out with a word of prayer and let’s get right into that. Jason: All right…
“Dear Heavenly Father, as we open your
Word and study your Word, we ask that you’ll be with us and lead, guide
and direct our study, in Jesus’ name we pray, amen. ” All: “Amen… ” The emphasis here is
that Christ is faithful, we talked about that… the
faithfulness of the bridegroom, the faithfulness of the husband
and I can’t think of that in any other terms… that are more
practical than our relationships not just our
relationship with Christ… but our relationships
with our husbands and our wives and our family members
who are the ones probably that tell us the things
that are more sensitive and can cause us the most pain and yet they’re being
the most faithful to us because they care about us… they want us to be
more than we are, et cetera, you know, there are
some people out there… they couldn’t care
what we look like… they couldn’t care because
they just couldn’t care about us so when we see Christ
telling us these things it’s because He cares and because He has a
remedy and one of the remedies that He really
wants us to take a hold of is this “gold tried in the fire,
gold tried in the fire… ” but what is that? I
mean, is He telling us to… to trade in all of our
cash and… you know… like some people believe and have that gold that we need
to survive at the end of times? Is He talking about
monetary gold, figuratively… or literally… having gold? What is the gold? Ivor: So we take a look at
1st Peter chapter 1 and verse 7 the Bible says there,
“That the trial of your faith, being much more precious
than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with
fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the
appearing of Jesus Christ… ” so we read this
verse, we see that gold… is used
to symbolize faith and the question we need to
ask is, “How does faith come?” The Bible tells us
faith comes by… what? “Hearing… and
hearing by the Word of God… ” now, what is the
condition of Laodicea? Jesus just said, “you
are wretched and miserable, naked, blind… in
other words… you’re filthy, you… you are
in need of a remedy and so He’s telling us,
“buy of Him gold tried in fire” faith… right…
how does faith come? faith comes by hearing…
and hearing by the Word of God there’s a very powerful verse, it’s in Psalm 119
verse 9 and it’s says, “Wherewithal shall a
young man cleanse his way? by taking heed
according to thy word” and so it is this “taking
heed according to the word” and we’re going to see the gold
represents other things as well but Jesus is asking
us, He’s telling us, “You need a faith that is
able to withstand fiery trials,” so you think about the story of
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and how they were
brought into a trying situation, they were cast
into a burning furnace because they refused to bow down and it’s an amazing
thing because the fire… all that the fire
did in that story… was… it burned away the
things that were binding them James: The Babylonian things. Ivor: The Babylonian things… the Babylonian
cords that bound them and it’s because Jesus was
with them in the fire, right, so the fire is not designed… the persecution, trials,
tribulations are not designed to destroy us…
but they are actually like God’s workmen
to bring out the gold and to get rid
of the dross and… we’re heading
towards the time of trouble is what Jesus is
telling us in this final church, it’s the clothing…
right… so He’s saying, “Listen, I need you to
be prepared for this time and you need a faith… and
that’s why the Bible tells us in Revelation 12
that these are they that have the commandments
of God and the faith… right? “of Jesus” James:
Revelation 14:12… Ivor: Revelation
14:12… “the faith of Jesus” it’s His faith… that we need because His
faith was tried in fire so, now, do I want my faith? You know, my faith may… no… to be safe, give me
His faith. James: Amen. Yvonne: Not the faith in Jesus,
so much as the faith of Jesus. Ivor: Right, exactly and where
do we find the greatest picture of the faith of Jesus? We find it in His
closing moments of His life. James: Yes.
Yvonne: Hmmm… hmmm… James: I love this
because when I think about those Babylonian
cords, I’m thinking, “What kind of Babylonian
cords are binding us?” And the trials comes and we’re
like, “Oh I hate these trials” but God is saying, “I’m
not trying to consume you, I don’t want you to
be even smelling of smoke when you come out of this, I want to consume
the cords of Babylon that are binding you,
that are restricting you, that are causing you to
be limited in your walk, in your expression, in
your connection with me, I want to… I want
to destroy those cords so what kind of Babylonian cords we need to ask ourselves… are confining us
and restricting us that God wants to
burn away through the fire? And those cords are
burning… now this fire… I want to expand on this
fire because the Bible indicates that to sin… where we’re
found God is a consuming fire, that His throne is
set upon a lake of… well, a sea of
glass mingled with fire and who will be able to
dwell in the everlasting fire? So you have all
of these, I think, illustrations of the fact that
this gold is actually pointing to the person of
God, that it’s the purest, finest stuff to represent
the purest, finest person, and I think this is brought
out in Revelation chapter 1 and also in the Book of Daniel, Revelation chapter 1,
would you read here for us Jason, in Revelation chapter
1, would you read verse 13? Jason: Verse 13… “And in the midst of
the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a
garment down to the foot, and girt about the
paps with a golden girdle. ” James: Now, I’m going
to have you read verse 17, but just a second… I want
to make a comment on this verse, this is Jesus coming to
John in a glorified persona, in a glorified
form and He’s… He’s… He’s pictured as having “eyes like fire
and feet like brass” but He’s also
pictured as having this belt… this waistband
of gold around Him and when John sees
Him in this appearance something happens
to him, verse 17… Jason: Okay,
“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his
right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I
am the first and the last… ” James: Okay, so,
this is the remedy, Laodicea feels “rich
and increased with goods and in need of nothing” and Jesus is
outside the door knocking… they’re not
connected with Jesus, now, the reason they feel rich and increased with
goods and in need of nothing is because they’re
connected with prophecy, they’re connected with doctrine, they’re
connected with experience, they have all the trappings “of
Christianity… of religiosity,” they have all the trappings…
but they don’t have Jesus. It’s very similar, I
think, to the first church, the church of
Ephesus, Jesus is outside and when you don’t have Jesus,
you’re not seeing the gold and when you’re
not seeing the gold, you’re not feeling your need and when you’re not
feeling your need… John felt his
need, he fell as dead… and then what happens? He says, “Don’t
fear, fear not… ” what happens with Daniel? In Daniel chapter 10, let’s just look
there in Daniel chapter 10 and I want you to look here, we’ve seen these
verses already once but Yvonne, could you read Daniel 10 and
verse 5 and then verse 8? Yvonne: Daniel 10 verse 5, “Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a
certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded
with fine gold of Uphaz… ” and verse 8,
“Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there
remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was
turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. ” James: Here it is
again, notice now how this man in
linen which is Christ because the appearance is
the same as in Revelation, He appears to
Daniel, He’s got the gold and when Daniel sees
Him, he falls like he’s dead and as soon as he
falls like as if he’s dead, then the voice
comes to him and says, “Hey, Daniel, it’s
okay” and He touches him and He lifts him up and He
says, “Daniel, you are beloved, you’re are greatly beloved…
” over and over again… I just want to… I don’t know, I don’t know if we
should to go into Daniel here because we’re going to
do it later so I won’t, but the point I
want to make here is… we talk about Daniel
7, we talk about Daniel 8, we talk about Daniel
11, we talk about Daniel 12, we talk about Daniel 2…
we don’t talk about Daniel 10, this is the broccoli,
these are the veggies, this is the
superfood right here, this is the stuff that
we’re not interested in, that I’ll slip into
my dog under the table because I want to
get to my main course, this is the stuff
where the nutrients are, this is connection with
Christ and what’s happening is the same thing that happened
with me when I was a kid, my mom would serve me my dinner
and it would have the broccoli and it would have the veggies
and it would have the meat and I’m a meat and potatoes kid, so I’m eating my meat
and I’m eating my potatoes but I’m not wanting
to eat that broccoli, and I don’t want
to eat those greens and so I’m slipping it
to my dog under the table, the problem is… my dog
doesn’t like the veggies either so they’re ending up on the
floor and my mom’s seeing that, but… and so I had
this plan and the plan was eat down… scarf
down the veggies first and then you can get
the taste out of your mouth save the good stuff for last
and that’s what we do sometimes we save the good stuff for last and we try to get the
other stuff out of the way, we just try to go
through it but we don’t realize that the stuff we’re
going to get out of the way is the good stuff, Daniel 10 is the good stuff, this connection with Christ
see… what we’re doing is we’re getting
ready now to go into some very complicated prophecies, we’re going to go
into the seals next, and then we’re
going to go the trumpets, then it’s going to get
more intense and more intense, we need Jesus, we need Jesus… He’s the One who’s going to
unseal these prophecies for us in fact, when we
get into the seals… the Lamb opens the
seals, the Lamb opens… seals are things
that are mysterious, that they can’t be understood,
the Lamb opens the seals… the Lamb opens the seals…
the Lamb opens the seals, we’ve got to have Jesus
to help us to understand and we don’t feel the
need of Him, we’re Laodiceans, we feel rich… increased
in goods and in need of zero, so when we see Jesus,
here’s the difficult part, we see Him and we’re
overwhelmed with our need and we’re
overwhelmed with our comeliness and our
unrighteousness and we’re like, “Ah man, that’s no way… ”
but that’s when we feel our need and Jesus is there to
help us, over and over again, to lift us up and to touch us and to lift us
up and to touch us and that’s what
Daniel 10 is telling us and that’s what we need to see, that’s the remedy
that Laodicea needs, we need that remedy, and I think the Jews
needed that remedy too when we go through it… we see that history
played out again and again, we make a connection to… because Revelation is
not some item over by itself, it’s reconnecting us to
the rest of the story back here and the progression of history,
how it applied to the Jews… and the need that they have and I really love that, I love the way we
make that connection to… to the rest of the story. Ivor: I think if we
look at the connection and actually
build some more on that, seeing the condition of Israel
at the first coming of Christ and comparing it with the
condition of the church… second coming of Christ, we can still pull a
lot of lessons from that… that will help us not to make
the same mistakes that they made so if you remember in
our previous discussions we have been looking at the fact
that… that the churches… the seals… and the
trumpets… all parallel and we can check the seals
as we begin to go through them, we can go back and
check with the churches yeah, that’s a match… same with the
trumpets… yeah, that’s a match but the churches come
first and it would appear that there is nothing we
can match the churches with until we
realize, “Wait a minute… the seven churches are
a reflection or a parallel of the history of
the Old Testament Church so let’s run
through that rapidly, we’ll start with…
about the fourth church, we’ll move on
down to the seven… and then begin to
make these applications so, you’ll
remember the fourth church, symbolized by
that woman, Jezebel, a representation of Babylon,
we saw that that parallel… the period of history in which God’s people were
in Babylonian captivity because of their rebellion, we saw that the
fifth church, Sardis, represented those escaping the Protestant
Reformation which began… they left, they were
leaving out of Babylon and going back to rebuild but they did not
complete the Reformation, we saw this history parallels the story of the
children of Israel, leaving Babylonian captivity and beginning to do
the work of the Lord but the work died out… we saw that the
sixth church, Philadelphia represented the
Millerite Movement and the completing
of that Reformation which parallel the
history of Nehemiah coming in and finishing
the Reformation that… those under
Ezra’s time had begun. So, perfect parallel there… then we see that
actually Nehemiah was… since he’s waiting for
the coming of the Lord now, and when the Lord comes, the first coming… what
is the condition of Israel? They are not hot,
they are not cold, they are lukewarm, it is the wise that are prepared
for the coming of the Messiah, we think about the
parable of the five wise and the five foolish virgins, we begin to see
all these parallels between what happened in Israel,
they were eventually spued out because they
rejected… who? The Messiah… in the same way that Jesus says, “Look, I will spue
you out of my mouth because of your
lukewarmness… ” and then this whole
picture opens up then of how we can
actually be prepared for the second coming
of Christ by looking at not only how Christ
sought to prepare His disciples, but even the
mistakes the disciples made because He gave them Gethsemane, to prepare them for
the time of trouble. What can we learn from that? First of all, Peter
thought that he was hot, he thought he was rich, increased with
goods, needed nothing, Jesus said, “By the time
the cock crows three times, you would have denied me
thrice… ” so think about this, how many times… we’re
going about our business and I was born in
Jamaica, raised up in New York, when I married my wife,
Atonte, she lives in California, in the country… in California, so I remember when I
went out to California and the first morning I woke, there was a rooster
crowing and I wake up like… “Wait a minute…
what was that? Where am I?” And I began to think, “Am I going to hear
this, like, every morning? like, I am really
in the country what?” The rooster was
crowing and I was like, “This is a movie…
this can’t be real… ” now I’m used to
it, but think about it, that rooster is
like the Holy Spirit, think about every time
you know that you’re supposed to be doing
something and you don’t, you know that… that you
shouldn’t laugh at that joke but you do and I can
just imagine the Holy Spirit, like that rooster,
crowing… ahhhhhhhh… I can’t even do it…
and you hear that voice and you’re going, “Oh
man, I just denied Him… I just denied
Him… I just denied Him. ” Remember the Holy
Spirit like that divine rooster always there to say, “Listen, you’re very off-track,
you’re very off-track… ” so as we look at
this and say, “Wow! this is Christ
trying to tell us, “You don’t even know
yourself, you think you’re rich and increased with goods, I’m telling you,
you’re going to deny me… and so, I’m giving
you this experience… ” which brings us
to John chapter… chapter 6 where… we can
actually tie in John chapter 6 with what happens
at the last supper because remember the message
to the Laodicean is what? “I want to come
in… ” and do what? “Sup with you… ” so what is Christ doing right before this
time of trouble hits for Him and His disciples? He’s eating with them,
the bread and the words… that takes us to John 6. James: And He says, “this bread is my body
and this wine is my blood… ” and John six
it’s the same thing, John six is… the
whole chapter is… well not the whole chapter but the whole later
half of the chapter, I’m just going to summarize
it, it’s basically Jesus saying, “Listen, the bread that
came down from heaven is me… I’m the bread of
life, you need to eat me, you need to eat my flesh,
you need to drink my blood… ” and they try to…
they try to throw it out… “What? we’re not cannibals, what are you talking about
eating flesh and drinking…?” They know what
He’s talking about… He is talking
about “supping” on Him as the bread of life…
it’s… it’s… very simple… it’s very practical, it’s
this, it’s the Word of God, okay, the Word of
God… it’s not the media, it’s not
Facebook, Fox News and CNN, it’s not sports
and it’s not music, it’s not all of the
stuff that distracts us, it’s the Word of
God and Jesus says, “You know, you’re so distracted, even… even by your
“religiosity” you’re distracted, you need to be
in the Word of God and so, when He’s
supping with the disciples, He’s reminding
them of that truth, and then we’re… we’re
taken back to John chapter 6, he reminds them of that truth and then we go to
Revelation chapter 3 He’s knocking on
the door, “Who is it?” “It’s me… it’s Jesus… ” “Well, what do you want?”
“I just want to sup with you, I just want to come
in and eat with you. ” And that knock…
that rooster crowing… that knock comes every
single day, every morning, evening, afternoon…
Jesus is knocking on the door, every time we turn
on the media device, every time we have
this moment of opportunity it’s a moment for us
to turn our hearts to God, when people are
texting us and e-mailing us and sending us
these little requests, I just got one in
our break, you know, “Please pray for
me… ” a friend of mine… “we’re in a situation,
this is the situation, call for prayer… ”
“Okay, I’ll pray for them… ” no… pray for them right now because you won’t pray
for them… down the road, do it right now,
this is a little reminder, right now, it’s a
little reminder, and… Ivor: What happens
is the voice of God… just like the rooster… you… first
morning… “That was a rooster!” A week later… “yeah,
that was a rooster… ” a month later… you’re
not hearing the rooster anymore because you’ve
become so used to the voice, you’ve learned to shut it out and that’s Laodicea’s problem… is that we’ve learned
to shut out the knock, it’s become a “white noise” yeah, you don’t even
hear that knock anymore and Jesus is saying, “Look, I’m trying to
prepare you for what’s coming, you’re not even
hearing me knocking… ” you’re not hearing
the rooster anymore. James: Tone
deaf… Ivor: Tone deaf… James: It’s a fact that
sometimes we’re so tuned out certain noises…
including human voices… that we become
tone deaf to that noise, we’re just kind
of tone deaf again… Ivor: People
living next to airports… they no longer hear the
roaring of the airplane, I mean, how loud is that? They no longer hear
the roaring of that plane, think about the issue of
the disciples in Gethsemane, Jesus said, “Look, I
want you to watch with me… pray with me…
something’s coming, we need to be
prepared… ” so look… if that happened for
the first coming of Christ, are we going to have
a Gethsemane experience in this time of
Laodicea? Absolutely! We can know that
because the history is parallel and Jesus is trying to show us, “Look, don’t
make the same mistake that the
disciples made who said, ‘We’ll never forsake
you, no, no, no, no, no, we will go with
you to the death, we’re ready to…
we’re ready to… what? Mark? What Mark? A
Mark on this forehead? No, I’ll…
I’ll rather die… ‘” And then suddenly that
trial comes and you find… God says, “Look… ” back then… they
had a second opportunity when this hits, there is no… you fail this… there
is no second opportunity. James: Hmmm…
hmmm… so we’re looking… we’re looking at
the Laodicean condition and we’re seeing that it
is bleak… it is intense… it is critical… we are… we are being
admonished in the strongest way but also… it is hopeful, God has this deep
love in His heart, this deep desire to sup
with us, to connect with us, and the thing
that’s getting in the way is all of our self-righteousness
and self-dependence, when… when
all we need to do is open that door and let Jesus
in so that He can sup with us and there’s nothing like that. Yvonne: You know
that whole idea of choice, it is our choice
to open that door, He doesn’t push the
door in, He doesn’t barge in, He leaves it up to us, behold I stand at
the door and knock, if any man hears my
voice and opens the door… ” so it’s up to
us, to open the door but it’s even God that
brings us to repentance, so, it’s like,
“Yeah, it’s our choice but in His mercy, it’s even Him… that
makes us want to choose Him, God is so merciful but the idea
that nothing could take away our power to choose, nothing… so He’s… He
leaves it up to us, if we open the door, He
will come in and connect… I like that
word… connect with us, He wants… when
you think about somebody coming over to eat,
you’re hanging out… you know. James: Jason… Jason…
Yvonne: Yeah, I know… Jason… Just coming and connecting,
that’s what Jesus wants, He just wants us
to connect with Him. James: Now, now
let’s look at this, just for a second,
let’s just touch on this, let’s just get a
little more out of this, okay, we’re talking
about food right now and could Jesus have
put it in better words, at least for some of us, could He have put it
in better words than that, what is Jesus saying? He’s saying, “I’ve got some
food that is out of this world,” now think about this… haven’t
we partaken some of that food as we’ve doing this study
through the Book of Revelation? We go, “Wow! that was good…
Man! that was good stuff… ” Yvonne: Yeah… James: See, if we never
would have opened the door, if we never would
have opened the door, if we never would
have opened the door… and just opened it, and just…
and what Jesus is saying is, “You know, the more I feed you, the more you’re going
to experience something that is so tasty, so
delicious, so satisfying, so filling, but
the other stuff… phish… you just
can’t be satisfied… Ivor: And see,
this is the thing… He’s not asking you
to prepare the food… you know, if I say, “Hey, I
want to come eat with you. ” “What? I have to
cook? Maybe next week… ” Jesus says, “Look, I
brought the food with me… so, I’m not asking you to cook,
I’m just… I brought the food” and what is the food? He says, “This is my
body which is broken for you,” He’s trying to
bring the cross to us, He’s trying to let us see
that Christ and Him crucified, Christ and Him
lifted up is the remedy, that’s what opens our eyes, that’s what clothes
us with the white robe, that’s what brings
us the faith of Jesus I want that faith, as I
behold Him on the cross, by beholding…
I become changed… so think about those
guys back in Israel who… when they were being
bitten by the serpents as they looked up at
the serpent on the pole, something miraculous
was happening in them that made them
impervious, if you will, to the venom of the serpent,
but if they look down… and that’s what we like to
do, if you’re around snakes, man! the natural
tendency is to look down. Yvonne: Right. Ivor: God tells Moses,
“Put up a serpent on the pole and lift it up…
where they have to look up,” yeah, “but I need to
look down because of… ” “No, no, no, no, no…
an exercise of faith… ” I need the faith of Jesus,
I’m going to be able to look up when serpents are
around me on the ground and I naturally
want to look down look at my old wounds… He says, “Don’t look
at yourself, look at me, and by looking at me,
you’ll become changed. ” Yvonne: Yes… James: Perfect illustration for
the challenge that we have today not to be self-sufficient, not to look down and
try to protect ourselves, but to look up by faith and know that Jesus is
going to take care of us, He’s going to take care of us,
we have our own little trials, even… even in
doing these programs, we’re facing some trials and we need to know that
God is opening these doors and that God is going to
continue to open the doors and we need to look up to Him and see where the
door is being opened and no man can shut,
no man can shut that door and how He’s going to
be bringing that food, bringing that food,
bringing that food… nurturing us…
nurturing us, nurturing us. Ivor: That’s around the table…
food that’s around the table… Yvonne: Come on
now… come on now… okay our time is up again,
we want to remind our viewers to send in their
video questions… Yvonne: To sss… as in
Salvation in Symbols and Signs, @3abn. org James: And we want to
have our closing prayer Yvonne, would you pray for us? Yvonne: Sure… “Father
God, how rich is your Word thank you so much,
thank you for loving us and giving us the
power to choose you and giving us the abundant
life, Lord, because in you… there is life more abundantly… so we thank you
so much for that, for your presence
and your power, Lord, we just praise your
name and we bless you and we thank you for loving us when we don’t
even love ourselves, loving us when we were sinners and as we continue to
make mistakes and sin, Lord, you love us still… thank you, in Jesus’ name we
pray Father God, amen. ” All: “Amen. ”

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7 thoughts on “15 – “Laodicea (Pt. 2) – Salvation in Symbols & Signs”

  1. "It's the FAITH of Jesus that was TRIED in the fire… we need the FAITH of JESUS! His FAITH is found in "HIS" closing moments on Earth!!! "
    Thank you SO MUCH Pastor Ivor….. Thank you all for this amazing series! Bless you all!

  2. These are so good I never want them to end! God bless you all for taking the time to open the word of God with us!!! Best Revelation series ever! If we had study guides it would be the ultimate learning experience! 🙏

  3. maybe I'm missing something but in 1 Peter 1:7 it says that faith is more precious than gold which perishes. It compares it to gold not equate it…in other words one has a higher value than the other…?

  4. Praise our CREATOR that he has led them to point out the most mi-nute of details that have offend been misunderstood … This panel is doin Outstanding Work … ALL PRAISE TO OUR CREATOR ! …

  5. May God lead all of you brethren. May the Holy Spirit renew and rekindle that flame that we have for the Lord! Peace from God the Father and grace from our Lord Jesus Christ!!!

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